Toss Lieberman to the dogs;... like he did us.

Lieberman is one of those traitors we all see. The opportunists. He is a democat from a liberal state, yet he is known to be very republican in his thinking. He would have licked anyone's balls to get a little more power. Look at that fuck. Now, if he had been given more power, which is what a republican president would have done, he would have turned all the more from his constituents. McCain wanted him as his running mate...



I hear Reid supports him, and I believe Reid is the real thing, as I do about Pelosi, I have seen them both fighting to keep the country from being totally destroyed by the Bush Doctrine, and all those who try to blame the economy and shit on the do nothing congress should thank god they were do nothing, or more properly, objecting to Bush's policies, or they would have privatized social security... right before the economic collapse.

I think there should be a move to get him as marginalized as possible in government. He simply cannot be trusted to do anything the majority of his constituents want. He is even now meeting with the Republicans to see how he can help them fight Obama and the changes that this country needs. Show him for what he is -- a liar. I mean, who isn't a liar... but I can tell you this, few people run as one party, then start going with the other party in the ways that matter. This is called being a traitor where I come from.

Lieberman wants to be a republican. Let him go back and run as a republican and lose in the liberal state he is from. Period. Put a bunch of money into showing how the time of the Democrat is now, and that he has proved nothing but a shiftless, amoral, power seeker.

After writing this, I came across an srticle in Salon, which spells out all of Lieberman's lies, half-truths, and betrayels. I can see why Obama does not want to start a war with someone who, Takes it both ways... though you can bet, he prefers to just lay back and get those big juicy republican dicks slamming into his asshole (in fact, I have heard that he has had additional assholes added to various parts of his body so he can serve more republicans at once...

I am not going to go over the entire list of problems I have with this man. I would rather someone was a republican, which is understandable in this world where so many so called experts and news shows are involved in a dark propoganda ploy to convince the middle class that their enemies are their freinds. There is nothing stupider than a person who makes under a quarter million a year voting republican. This is kind of like a slave defending their master.

I know OBAMA wants to stop the red and blue divide. Me too. As a painter, I know that these two colors blend into purple, and this is part of why I pulled the King shit out of my closet and started harping on it for awhile, even though I grew up hating the idea of kings... and still do. No one person should be in charge of a town, let alone a country. No one ideology should try to shove their agenda down the throats of the whole of america, either... though it has been done. And at this point, the mental landmines left over from the years of neo-cons waging war with the facts to hide their true motives (pump up the oil companies, bring on armeggedon, etc... it is very difficult to tell what is going on in the shadows, but you can bet their are agendas out there that would make a good person vomit, which is why they hide everything...

I think we can all work together, but the differences are stark. One group of folk in this country, who are empowered by money their families lent them, want to keep their large stores of wealth, and the starving masses be damned. The other is just out there trying to get by, barely able to keep up with the major issues in this world, let alone the smaller ones... as chomsky said, sort of, by the time a working person gets home for the night, they are just too damned tired to waste all of their mental energy on politics.

I know the feeling well. I do not want to think in bINARY terms -- the old world as two sides, one good and one evil, is a bunch of crap, of course. Yet, this is how our consciousness organizes new information. A lot of the philosophy of language that I studied was about how to make a mind see more sides than just the two presented to them. Like the scam of democrats and republicans. By keeping the focus on these two, and pretending like 'liberals' are dangerous radicals, we stop the GREEN party from taking root in this country. IF people just understood how much a three party system would open up this society and give voice to the disenfranchised, they might just vote for them. As it is, there is a myth that any party that is outside of the main two are dangerous, either right wing or left wing nuts. A typical american way of looking at the world, that has been drummed into our mind like a soundbite that is repeated until the majority believes it to be the truth.

Right now is not the time for Obama to go out and try to make friends. He has enough freinds without stooping to the level of his ideological enemies. I am not saying that he should be vindicative, but welcoming a traitor back into the fold, a man who even his own constituency does not want (he had to pander to the neocons to get re-elected).

Now I hear this rumour that Lieberman may get to head the Homeland Security Committee. I am so far out of the political loop, in most respects, that you name a politician and I probably know nothing about them. Like I have said for awhile, I felt so alienated by the Reagan years, and truth be told, even the Clinton years... that I just quit bothering to watch politics. Now that I am again, to some extent, I can see that they are all bathing in the cesspool. I hope that Obama is different. We all do. We will see.

He should show us liberals, who gave a lot of effort to get him elected, that he understands there is a legitimate arguement to liberalism that is quite different from socialism .

Now, Lieberman, who supported the president who is bugging over a million of their own citizens, is going to be influential to homeland security? I swear, if Obama turns out to just be another face of the same old beast, I will leave this country, go somewhere like Venezuela, or Cuba. I would love to help a socialist country take off, inspire the people to nationalize the oil and certain key industries, to fund social programs. This is about when America pulls a coup. Like in Chili. Still, I see the brains in this.

I understand, however, that I am in the states, and too few people feel like me to ever get anything like this done. Fine. I do not want to force my beliefs on other people. I am so used to being the odd man out on my opinions, that I am surprised when anyone likes my stuff. Period.

I was going to add the article from salon, here... but instead came across this, Bayh, (whose father I once literally kicked in the but when I was five). He lays out a good arguement about Lieberman. In fact, he pretty much makes sense to me. So, I am adding this element to this piece to show how complex and amoral and pragmatic even the best of politico's can be (and I like BAYH a lot, as I liked his father). So, in this case, no matter how odious Lieberman seems to me, Bayh makes clear that the reasons they are keeping him are complex). Oh, well... Like I always tell people, listen to what others say, then do what you think is right. And if you are proven wrong by a better arguement, then do not feel ashamed to change your mind. The mark of a good mind is being able to adjust to new information. sO, I am probably wrong to think it is good politics to throw this guy out, but I don't care about that shit. I think revenge is one of the most basic rights of a human being.

Why do we put people in prison? Not to save society, but to punish, take revenge. Nietsche laid all of this out in On Human Nature. A book that kept me awake for three days. Lieberman will probably get away with all of his shit, because he has placed himself in a position where he could make trouble of he is attacked. Oh, well... even more than revenge, I believe in redemption. So, let Joe redeem himself, if he can or will. I have been mistaken for a republican again and again, because I support the soldiers, and understand the hellish thought that war is a law unto itself... so who knows, let me be wrong... let all of my criticism be proven wrong. I would love that.


MADDOW: You have been outspoken of Senator Lieberman keeping his role as chair of Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. Why do you think he's the best Democrat for that job at this point?

BAYH: I don't think this is about Joe Lieberman, Rachel. I think this is about maximizing our chances of making the changes that we need in America, maximizing the chances that President-elect Obama will meet those expectations you referred to by addressing the challenges that we face that you also reported on just a few moments ago. And let me explain to you what I mean. If this was just about Joe Lieberman and the things he said in the campaign, well, I'd say we'll let it go. I mean, if people want to settle scores, fine. I mean, he's a big guy, he can live with the consequences of his actions.

But one of two things will be likely to happen if we were to kick him out of his chairmanship. No. 1, he might very well decide to just resign from the Senate. You know, he probably would not want to be a person without a home, wandering the hallways without any influence of any kind. And Connecticut has a Republican governor, who would appoint a pure Republican to that seat, who would vote against the wishes of the president-elect and the Democratic caucus, you know, the vast, vast majority of the time. That's No. 1.

No. 2, Lieberman, Joe Lieberman might decide to stay and be embittered. And what would happen there would be from time to time, we have close votes. You've been reporting on the Alaska race and the Minnesota race and the Georgia race. We could be at 58, 59, maybe even 60 votes. Every two or three or four months, there's going to be a critically important vote, very close, every vote will count. And it might come down to one vote.

Now, if Senator Lieberman has a strong view, he'll vote his conscience, but if he's conflicted, frankly, you know, doesn't really know what to do, and we've exacted revenge on him, I suspect we could probably expect the same in return. That's really not where we want to go. Let's see if we can move this in a better direction.

And the final thing I'd say is, if he does retain his chairmanship, we still exert oversight over him and control over him. He doesn't have the ability to just do whatever he wants. The caucus still has the right to remove him from that position at any time if he starts going off on some kind of tangent.

So I simply think it maximizes the chances of getting progressive policies a better outcome if we have a Joe Lieberman, who is a little reticent, who apologizes for the things that he said that were way over the line, and instead is trying to do the right thing, instead of an embittered Joe Lieberman or a Republican replacement who will not be with us any of the time.